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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: SURVIVOR POOL STORY.....

4 yrs ago a dude ran a survivor pool online and it got some people and the pot was a like 10k or so.... went smooth... payout right no time no issue...

following year same thing but around 50k in pot and they guy lived in vegas so word was out about his pool...... payout went fine and no issues.....and he will meet the winner anywhere and pay in cash....

year 3... around 150k in pot... went smooth all year.... payout NEVER HAPPENED... nobody knew who this dude really was except this online name and the site where he had the pool running..

to this day nobody has heard from this guy...... not bad for 3yrs work only a few months out of the year... an extra 50k a year while living in vegas...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: SURVIVOR POOL STORY.....

Thats crazy. He probably bury himself to a casino trying to double that money or something. Waiting for that new york pool and this to happen. Its been 10x years tho and you can deliver the money to his doorman at a building in new york. He runs a Rebuy pool week 5 that hits 150k. The main pools over 400k this year. he could walk with over a half mill :/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: SURVIVOR POOL STORY.....

here is another one.....

tdomeski's 2nd Annual NFL Survivor Pool Sign Up Thread (Please follow ALL instructions)


This pool will run IDENTICAL to last years. $200 buy-in, single entry, winner-take-all (deals are allowed).

As you can see last year we had 48 participants with a first prize of $9,600! I'd expect us to top that this year since I am starting signups a few weeks earlier.

We had two players, hfrog355 and mustavbeer, make it all the way through the season and chop the prize. Bravo.

How to Sign Up:

1. Post in the thread that you are IN.
2. Post in the thread which payment option you would like to use.

The payment options are:
-OTHER (see above)
-Chase QP
-cash deposit to BoA/Chase
-personal check from reputable members only received by me before August 31st

3. Wait for a PM from me (should receive within 24 hrs, maybe 48 if posted on a weekend).
4. Follow the instructions in the PM.

That's it. Should be rather simple. This thread will ONLY be used for the above or clarification on contest rules.

As you will see in the PM I send, there will be a soft deadline of Sept 6th for signups (that's the Friday before the first game), but if you happen to catch me online between then and kickoff and I'm able to exchange PM's quick enough you could still get in. Last year we had a signup an hour before we kicked off. As soon as payment is received and confirmed on my end you will receive the log-in info for the pool and you can sign up at your convenience.

Some rules to note:

1. Contest will be held on Yahoo!
2. If you don't submit a pick you will not automatically lose. You will get the biggest ML favorite (has to be a team you have not picked, closing Pinny line of game) from the Sunday and Monday games of that week. From that point on your picks will need to be manually submitted in the season thread. If the situation arises I will clarify how you will need to submit your picks.
3. Picks will need be in the Yahoo! client by Sunday at 1 PM EST. Thursday games ARE IN PLAY, but you will need to pick them before their kickoff.
4. All picks are displayed in the Yahoo! client once they lock at 1PM EST.
5. We are picking winners, not ATS.
6. You must be a 2p2er to participate, and you cannot pay the entry fee on anyone's behalf.

Finally, if for some reason you unfamiliar with how a pool like this works, here is a very brief primer:


Hey guys,

I have no issue with whoever outed me. I wish it would have not been done on a gimmick account, or at least had given me an opportunity to make this right before the pool ended, but I ****ed up here and that's that. As I mentioned earlier, outing me will not effect you getting paid in the manner I laid out at a minimum.

I self-banned myself earlier today in an attempt to get focused on the current task at hand so unfortunately cannot respond (haven't even seen post, but was alerted to its existence).

If someone could be so kind to pass this along as a response I would greatly appreciate it:


The allegations are 100% accurate. I made a monumental mistake in running this pool and dipped into the escrowed funds around early October and started using them to play poker. As I lost I started chasing every dollar in what was the most degenerate 6-week period of my life. I emailed all the winners of this pool earlier today and outlined my exact financial situation at the time of the pool's inception, the time of dipping into the funds, and the current mess I have put myself in now.

I have outlined a minimum payment plan, and will work tirelessly to have everyone paid in full as soon as I possibly can. I have no interest in doing anything else but focusing on getting this resolved as soon as possible.

I will never be running another pool on 2p2, selling action on 2p2, booking bets on 2p2, or doing anything else that involves me touching money. I have currently self-banned myself from 2p2 to focus on the task at hand, and gave all my contact info to the parties involved. I would like the opportunity to make this right in a timely fashion before this becomes a public bashing that will ultimately ruin any future opportunities to get legitimate work that I will seek once this is resolved.

I will be upfront as possible with all the victims from this point forward. I will not run from them, and I will not hide.

As soon as this is made right I will have someone post or post in this thread and then would like to take a life-ban from 2p2 so I can get my life together and hopefully on track.

I am sorry for disappointing so many people with this mistake. I have been a trusted member for ten years and have now thrown that all away with horrible decision making. I do not deserve 2p2 anymore.

I am truly sorry and feel horrible.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: SURVIVOR POOL STORY.....


Big-money Las Vegas sports pools shut down; Nevada Gaming Control launches investigation

With upwards of $750,000 at stake, several national sports pools were abruptly shut down in January, and contestants say the pool operators have stopped communicating with those looking for their winnings.

Nevada Gaming Control is investigating.

The biggest one: A $400,000-plus NFL survivor pool with approximately 4,400 players from across the nation. Entry fees were $110, and there were reported payouts of more than $10,000 over the last several years.

Players are pointing to two names: Ray Williams and Martin Stone. unnamed

All checks for entry fees this past NFL season were made out to Williams and sent to a Las Vegas P.O. box located at a mail box rental business. Several past winners had received payouts from Stone.

A screenshot of the site that hosted the massive NFL survivor pool, “2013 NFL Win or Die,” shows Ray W. is listed as the manager’s screen name; and Martin Stone as the manager’s real name. However, the pool’s host site—Officefootballpools.com—does not attempt to verify the real identities of its users.

On Jan. 16, Williams sent an email inviting players to join a Super Bowl square contest and his “PGA Cut or Die” pool. The next day, John Cranston, website manager for Officefootballpools.com, notified Williams that his account would be terminated in seven days because the pool was in violation of the site’s Terms of Service, which prohibits money pools. Around the same time, emails to Williams’ gmail address began bouncing back, and the phone number listed for him on the league’s page and in emails to players was disconnected.

Officefootballpools.com is a popular site used to manage all types of sports pools. Cranston says the site hosts thousands of pools annually and emphasized it is for “entertainment purposes only.”

“Anytime we are made aware of gambling we cancel the league manager’s account,” Cranston said in a phone interview. “Normally, we’ll be informed by a player in the pool or the manager.”

Cranston would not elaborate on how he determined the Williams-Stone pool was being played for money, but said similar situations happen a few times a year. He said pool managers who are caught running a money game are banned from the site.

For the past several years, Stone was the main name associated with the popular pools. Some say they’ve played in one of his pools for the past three or four years. A winner from last season’s football pool said he received two checks, one from Stone and one from Williams. The winner of last season’s golf pool was paid by a check from Williams.

This football season, Williams did all the communicating. He was a familiar name, having run pools in the past. He asked players that had participated in one of his past pools to denote themselves as “veterans.” Rookie players were asked to provide the first and last name of the person who referred them.

Players say Williams and Stone would take a 10-to-20 percent cut of the entry money for running the pools.

“I thought it was odd for them to up and disappear when they have a 15-20 percent cash cow going on almost $750k,” one previous winner said in an email.

Emails show Stone and Williams regularly communicated with pool players, even going as far as consulting with them on potential payouts. Players emailed back and forth with Stone about how much they enjoyed playing in the pools. He would often sign off with “Stoney.” Players loved them.

“I kept hoping that this guy who ran these great pools and was so responsive in his emails wouldn’t have screwed all of these people over like that,” said one contestant who asked to remain anonymous. “But then I thought what the hell does he have to lose? Of course he had about $600k in his possession of other people’s money, so why not just run with it?”

There are four people named Martin Stone listed in Las Vegas on whitepages.com. One contestant found a Martin Stone in Vegas on social media and called him at his place of business. The company secretary said he had the wrong guy and hung up.

BettingTalk.com placed a call to the same Stone on Tuesday. When reached, that Martin Stone denied any knowledge of the football pool or Ray Williams.

“I don’t know about any of that stuff,” he said.

There is a Linkedin account for a Ray Williams out of Las Vegas, who lists his occupation as “gambler.”

Not everyone believes this was intended to be a scam. Some believe the pool operators were keeping the entry money in an account at a Las Vegas casino and eventually got flagged by the Internal Revenue Service.

Casino officials are instructed to report suspicious deposit and withdrawal activity to the IRS or the NGC, Chief of Enforcement Karl Bennison said. Multiple deposits of just under $10,000 are a common sign. Paperwork, in most cases, is required for making a transaction of more than $10,000.

“Obviously, if people are moving money that are right at or just below the reporting requirements, that’s one of the key signals; right below $10,000, typically,” said Bennison in a Tuesday call. “Other times there will be things where identification doesn’t match. We’ve had any number of scenarios that raise suspicion.”

When an account is flagged, the IRS can seize the money. According to multiple legal experts, the IRS sometimes will make a deal with the accused that, if they don’t fight the seizure, the authorities will only seize the money and won’t press criminal charges. That isn’t much help to players, though, some of whom were anticipating high five-figure paydays.

Out of the 4,400 entries, seven players finished in a tie for first in the large NFL survivor pool. They thought they were in store for a share of a prize pool that, after a midseason buy-back-in auction, was estimated around $600,000. At this point, the winners are still waiting, and there’s not a lot of hope.

Multiple legal experts said the players don’t have much legal recourse since the underlying action was interstate sports gambling.

“The worst part,” one player said, “was that the pools were some of the best I’ve been involved in.”

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: SURVIVOR POOL STORY.....

Crazy....hey..you never know...can't trust most people
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